"7th Universe's Energy Sphere") is a powerful version of the Spirit Bomb, used by Goku in the Tournament of Power. Uh what? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? ... 7 The Spirit Bomb Couldn't Handle Jiren's Right Hand. Bringing him to life again in a way. So what, they gave even less than their max energy which we already determined was insignificant(which would be a new thing that we didn't know the spirit bomb could do, take specific fractions of energy)? Most people think that because he doesn't have god power yet. Jiren's not evil so the Spirit Bomb wouldn't affect him enough. Logically , Jiren should no sell the universal spirit bomb , because he destroyed SSBx20 KK , which is way stronger than the universe level SSG . I post about all db series & I'd like to express my randomness, i love pokemon, naruto, marvel, dc and all old cn. Keep in mind that regular humans don't have ki control (or really an idea of what ki is in general). They wouldn't have given all their strength to the Spirit Bomb, they have the entire tournament to complete. Universe 7's Spirit Bomb (第7宇宙の元気玉, Dai Nana Uchū no Genki-dama, lit. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! 32 comments. Against Boo they'd already beaten him and didn't need it. Did you watch episode 90? I'm not sure that God ki would even be compatible with the Spirit Bomb. If I'm honest with you I think the best explanation is that the writers and the audience are basically Zeno. Discussion. Can Jiren stop the Universal Spirit Bomb from GT that wiped out Omega Shenron? Theres no direct rule against it only attacking fighters inside the ring from outside, which he didnt do. the issue is him saying that it always saved them, it never did, only in the movies did it do anything to the villain. Jiren glares the bomb back at GT Goku just like he did to DBS Goku. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. feel free to … My first issue is that spirit bomb without Vegeta should have been weak as hell. It also has never been said that a person giving their energy for a Spirit Bomb would be completely drained or have difficulty even standing. Goku Spirit Bomb Vs Kid Buu Attack. Eh, Jiren still wins, I guess. the Multi-Solar System+++//Low-Galactic Physicals of SSJG Goku are way above any feat in GT, including Omega Shenrons negative-energy threatening to destroy the Universe. Also jiren seems like the benevolent good guy so(read the jiren and buddha post) he can reflect it back. All of this plus Goku's own energy seems like an attack worth at least trying. The Spirit Bomb does not affect good people. Jiren stops the coming Spirit Bomb with a single hand, unimpressed by the attack, and redirects it back to Goku. That spirit bomb was a joke when stacked up against Jiren. Made by the talented PokéMixr92 *I DO NOT OWN DRAGON BALL. I'd love to see some base gt Goku feats on that level. Jiren techinaclly didn't glance it off , the spirit bomb can not harm those who are good. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy. He should be at least final form Frieza level now tho, which is pretty strong. Click to expand ... where he'd completely dominate Jiren until Goku giving the finishing blow in the ultimate MUI Goku vs Jiren. Then Ann & Goku powers up to Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct for the event as they absorbed the Spirit Bomb. The wiki says Goku's spirit bomb had enough power to kill him, and that Kefla as a SSJ2 had more power than that. Jiren (ジレン), also known as Jiren the Grey (灰色のジレン, Haiiro no Jiren), is a fictional character from the Dragon Ball media franchise by Akira Toriyama.Within the series, Jiren hails from Universe 11, a parallel universe to Universe 2. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy, Universe 2 did the same thing like 5 minutes earlier and were fine. Krillin gave his energy, sure. The Saiyan is apparently obliterated by his own move, but Zeno and Future Zeno overseeing the tournament allow the competition to continue since it was Goku's own attack. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy. But the people from Universe I don't-even-care-to-remember-the-number... was it two? Krilling was stronger than all the Ginyu force except Ginyu himself back during the fight with Freeza so its not impossible for him to have gotten to Ginyu's level by now, but again their battle power doesn't entirely translate directly to how much genki they can give. Goku Spirit Bomb was the only way to do so and that move was never once suggested there. And in terms of how Goku couldve matched Jiren if he absorbed the energy, well Whis actually fully explains how this was possible. When that energy entered him, it mixed and collided with Gokus own energy, and his willingness to resist the energy that was killing him. Can Jiren stop the Universal Spirit Bomb from GT that wiped out Omega Shenron? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? @thekinfing said: Jiren starestomps. They just know he's strong. In conclusion, with a little bit of thinking, things make sense. Goku Throws Spirit Bomb At Jiren - Dragon Ball Super Episode 109 English Sub. Even BoG SSG Goku would one-shot the fodder GTverse. No problem here because Zeno does not seem to care. Jiren's not evil so the Spirit Bomb wouldn't affect him enough. But Jiren doesn't seem malicious at all, so why on Earth did Goku think that the spirit bomb would of worked on Jiren even if he hadn't been so OP that he could deflect it? Just because Gohan and Piccolo are weaker than Goku doesnt mean their Genki energy (meaning Life energy) isnt as strong, or stronger than Gokus. So, what made Goku use it? The film, which made the Legendary Super Saiyan Dragon Ball canon, saw Frieza orchestrate a fight between his two biggest enemies and Broly, a Saiyan capable of accessing an insan Also laughing at the people saying that busting through a Dimensional Barrier is impressive in GT... Super Buu was able to do the same thing before absorbing Gohan. Did you not watch the movie? Jiren vs Goku Spirit Bomb Scene Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Going by the spirit bomb feat , Jiren loses . Just curious. 6)add 4 years of training and multiple zenkai’s, SSB and Kaiokenx20 and Jiren still stomped. He is a member of the Pride Troopers, a heroic organization who are organized around defending their universe from evildoers. It's not like genki is a different energy separate from ki, but rather one of the components that make up an individual's ki. But the energy entering his body acted as a sort of temporary boost. Happens in the movie, manga and the anime retelling so yeah take your pick. Multi galaxy level striking? So the take away is that, Goku was being fueled by the Spirit Bomb energy, which is what gave him the energy to keep his new form going. So, base upon this evidence looking at both sides. 1 Overview 2 Usage 3 Video Game Appearances 4 Trivia It is a Super Spirit Bomb powered byTeam Universe 7. As the Spirit Bomb about to collide with Goku, he screams as he tries as hard as he can to resist. The result of that is that Goku was able to tap into the deeper potential inside himself. Caring about cool things and erasing the show into oblivion by just not watching it if we are not pleased inb4 I'll quit watching if Caulifla gets ssb /s. Goku says this in DBZ. Really, I dare you to find feats in that movie that surpass Base GT Goku's dimension busting. Jiren doesnt even need to stare it, he could just no sell it. Jan 1, 2018 #5 We've yet to see Jiren's full power. My bad I forgot Frieza gave his energy...I actually assumed he didn't because...well he gave energy to Goku like 30 seconds later lol. Cookies help us deliver our Services. They more than likely are strong enough to the point where giving a lot of their energy doesnt actually drain much from them. How was this supposed to do anything against Jiren? Genki is not equal to Ki, first off. It would appear that there are ways to defeat Buu other than with Goku’s spirit bomb. if you are a dbz fan, you've got to check my posts! However, the Spirit Bomb isnt mandatory for Goku going into this form from now on. It gathers all of their energy and uses it in one massive attack all at once. Why would Gohan who is hundreds if not thousands of times weaker than Goku, Piccolo, who is hundreds of times weaker than Gohan, and everyone else who is hundreds of times weaker than Piccolo, amount to anything that could challenge Jiren? If nothing else, seeing the Spirit Bomb outright bounced back instead of exploding and failing to kill its target (like with Freeza) was a blow. For all we know, Mr.Satan could provide the most energy out of anyone for a Spirit Bomb. Close. Goku then goes X20 Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken, forcing Jiren to let out more power to push the attack right back. Nowhere has that ever been stated. Gohan was only in his base form, not his Ultimate form, when donating his genki to Goku's Genki Dama, and Freeza wasn't in his Golden Freeza form either, thus both were donating their genki in forms far from their maximum. harperqaa4310. It was yet another case of Toriyama using literally anything as a means to an end, even if it does make sense and contradicts everything established in the hundreds of chapters/episodes of the original series, the end in this case being another asspull of Goku getting UI. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Of course, Jiren vs Goku was the best fight of the tournament as both of them pushed each other to their limits and in the end, Jiren came out on top. Also the target audience for this show are little kids. Maybe a normal human giving their energy might have issues, but Gohan, Piccolo, and Frieza are not normal humans. In any event I don't think that the Spirit Bombs power is supposed to scale linearly. So basically SSJB Vegito vs Jiren? Gave their love energy or whatever to Ribrianne. Nothing about the spirit bomb here makes sense, from the strategy behind it to the power it had. Jiren vs Goku- Will Jiren stop the Spirit Bomb? Disney Heroes Episode: Goku VS Jiren Rated: TV-PG (fv) 1 About the Episode 2 Act 1 3 Act 2 4 Quotes 5 Gallery In this Episode, Goku and Jiren battle each other during the Universes Tournament Final as they test their Powers to the limit. save hide report. If he absorbed the Spirit Bomb, which didnt do anything to Jiren, it doesnt explain how that could make him match Jiren. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. 30. Why did Goku decide to use the Spirit Bomb against Jiren? They also don't have a lot of ki to spare. New comments cannot be … Here are some facts about their rivalry in the Tournament of Power. Universal spirit bomb vs Jiren (with a few rules) Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. ''Because of spirit bomb'' yeah, it was Goku's spirit bomb. Archived. Shattering the barrier, and pushing him to the new level. The 'Dimensional'. A spirit bomb battle is entertaining. Goku vs Jiren “Goku absorbs Spirit Bomb and ascends to Ultra Instinct” 25 looking like 14 ; Huge Dragon ball z fan. How was this supposed to do anything against Jiren? I can't comprehend this especially for those who'ev watched DBZ. Goku also busted through Hit's personal Dimension in SSJB in the Anime. What happened is, that Goku was draining all his energy trying to hold back the bomb. Vegito was able to penetrate Buu's Barrier while he was collapsing the fabric of Space Time on itself also. That's a win for Goku's account. Genki makes up only a portion of an individual's entire ki, so actually yes, it would mean that their genki is below Goku's if their ki level is below Goku's ki level. Let's analyze the situation when Goku throws the Spirit Bomb when he is in Kioken x20. Conclusion. On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Does Jiren's Spirit Bomb end the arguments about Kid Buu > Super Buu?" Just curious. They'll put in inconsistencies and nonsensical plot points just because they think it's cool or would look cool. For all they know, Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku pushing the Spirit Bomb should've been enough to hurt Jiren. Yet Gohan and Piccolo are still fighting like it's nothing. Why would they give all their strength to defeat a singular opponent? 16:33. As for everyone else, Freeza is SSB level, 17 has been shown to be at least above Ssj Goku, 18, Krillin, Tien and Roshi have also gotten much stronger recently. Well the reason is because Goku didnt exactly absorb the Spirit Bomb. Posted by 2 years ago. Ultra Instinct Vegito Bloodsucker. [Discussion] Jiren vs. It also has never been said that a person giving their energy for a Spirit Bomb would be completely drained or have difficulty even standing. Jiren Deflects The Spirit Bomb | Dragon Ball Super Episode 110 English Dub But in the future, we can assume he'll be able to tap into UI just like any other form, once he masters it and has proper time to get used to it. That wasnt the main point either. On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "[Discussion] Jiren vs. Unlikely, but it could be the case for all we know. If it did, it never would have worked as well as it did at any point in the series. Gohan is thousands of times weaker than Goku? For all we know, Mr.Satan could provide the most energy out of anyone for a Spirit Bomb. It didn't, as we saw. Hit wouldn't choose the lose the U6 tournament if not for Goku's performance. In fact yeah Zeno is clearly the metaphorical representation of the audience. Goku vs Jiren (Pre Spirit Bomb) by Tommy Kretsos published on 2017-12-08T19:14:13Z. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Moments before we saw U2 leding Ribrienne their "love" and she grew wings, it seemed meant to show that sort of thing is fine because its not against any specific rule. and everyone else who is hundreds of times weaker than Piccolo, amount to anything that could challenge Jiren? Presumably it wasn't, since Beerus didn't take his chance. Just because Gohan and Piccolo are weaker than Goku doesnt mean their Genki energy (meaning Life energy) isnt as strong, or stronger than Gokus. I mean, there was the issue of the AMOUNT of energy taken (they needed to drain enough to exhaust the Earth's population to kill Buu) so maybe the people in the stands gave up ALL of their energy after eating Senzu beans, so that made it that much more effective? And as a side note...Krillin, my dude, really why are you giving your energy you're probably not even Ginyu level lol. They wouldn't notice or care all that much that it doesn't make sense. Lol I would truly love to see those Battle of Gods feats that allow SSG Goku to defeat GT Goku, Baby, Super 17 or Syn Shenron. Spirit Bomb #2 Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Goku finally fights against Jiren. who’s regeneration is incredible putting both Piccolo and Cell to shame. Okay so I wasn't planning on making this post but I recently ranted/thought about it again and it's just too frustrating. 7)Then Goku goes UI which is objectively above the spirit bomb and Jiren still beats him. Genki is not equal to Ki, first off. SoundCloud. 56% Upvoted. Remember, this was a last ditch effort, Goku needed to get the most power he could in one attack if he was gonna even challenge Jiren. The Z-Fighters give energy to the Spirit Bomb and are able to function just fine. FWIW they have Senzu beans, and Goku doesn't HAVE to take all of their energy. We dont know much about how Genki fuctions so we dont know how much a regular person has. Dragon Ball Super will air Goku's battle with Jiren in Episode 109 on October 8th. The Spirit Bomb energy was temporary, but gave Goku the ability to maintain the new form for the short time he did. - Page 4. Presumably it also uses some of Goku's energy as well, and Freeza DID contribute... and the skill seems to amplify the Genki (or else it's just that strong on its own) because it has a much greater effect than just taking ki from the donors would. We have never seen that giving Genki to the Genki Dama drains you fighting energy. We only see this in the case of the regular humans. 1 1 Plague Punches People in the Face. From what we've seen from the spirit bomb, it takes most if not all of the person's energy to the point where standing can be difficult. I get what you're saying though: why did they think it would? Okay so I wasn't planning on making this post but I recently ranted/thought about it again and it's just too frustrating. They more than likely are strong enough to the point where giving a lot of their energy doesnt actually drain much from them. If he could give his energy, then Beerus should have also been able to give his energy, and that could have actually worked. Why the fuck do you all think Gohan is so which? Unless you're referring to the anime, which was not what I was talking about. When it blew, it "killed" Goku outright. So what, they gave even less than their max energy which we already determined was insignificant(which would be a new thing that we didn't know the spirit bomb could do, take specific fractions of energy)? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? Strong enough to make Jiren move a muscle? How did Goku expect the Spirit Bomb to be effective against Jiren? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Go watch the Spirit Bomb episode(s) from the Buu saga again. Even BoG SSG Goku would one-shot the fodder GTverse. Krillin and Tien even say exactly what you said. Super. Giving energy isnt against the rules. Why was he allowed to give his energy? We dont know much about how Genki fuctions so we dont know how much a regular person has. Stream Goku vs Jiren (Pre Spirit Bomb) by Tommy Kretsos from desktop or your mobile device. Okay so Goku is getting his ass kicked and the spirit bomb is his secret strategy. @xanman2000: Well, I certainly don't remember multi-galaxy level feats so I would like to know when that happens. Krillin was an ineligible being on the sidelines, at that point he was on the same level of participation as literally everyone else not in the arena. Okay so Goku is getting his ass kicked and the spirit bomb is his secret strategy. 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