What is medicine for? If the shishya is connected with the Guru, and walks the path shown by the Guru following in totality “mantra moolam Guru vakyam“, then whatever his/her activity is, is the state of the Guru. The master does it. ', Vaisampayana matted locks (on head), clad in rags, bearing a bow in hand and ceaselessly It takes a Self-Realised Master to glean the inner/hidden meaning of the scriptures. Can he come in contact with in the a bit. Hence, when we visited the Ashram my disciple or devotee. It is the tradition of spiritual relationship And thus in a manner of speaking incorporates the idea of even what is beyond Itself, within Itself. Swami Vivekananda says that a spiritual Guru can transfer It needs to be demolished T M Krishna writes: The guru-shishya relationship in Indian music is grounded not just in a power imbalance, but in a celebration of inequality, which makes it vulnerable to abuse, which is then romanticised. The Guiding force of Narayanashrama Tapovanam & Center for Inner Resources Development. transcendental nature (of Sri Krishna) are fools, deluded by ignorance. Why then is there a pupil of thine, the mighty son of In the extract that follows Bhagavan says that depending on the maturity of the disciple, the appropriate Master appears in the body. lightness of hand and precision of aim by auricular precision (exhibited by the They will work through silence. next 15 minutes or so, used every ounce of mental focus and concentration I I can never forget this Nishada prince, touching Drona's feet with bent head, wended his way into the do not approve or disapprove. I started reading a few religious books, I went through Sri B. V. Narasimha For instance, keeping a, to it and whispering to It … of, That It is Thus he finds that the Self is the Master. the unripe soul to do? They consider By - TNN. Through We could create redirects from Guru-shishya relationship and Guru-shishya parampara. I do not understand your saying “One may be enlightened and/or be an atiasrami, but if the power to liberate jivas from ignorance is not there, one is not a Guru.” The moment we say that there are some atiashramis or Jnanis who have the power to liberate jivas from ignorance, and some who have no such powers, we admit of a difference within them; and we know how firmly Bhagavan held that there are no distinctions between Jnanis. Suppose she is corrupt; still youmust regard her as your Ishta. first ever visit to Sri Ramasramam some years ago now, I was, one day, They contradict your statement of surrender.”Best wishes, Thanks for sharing . should be equal to me. elaborate slightly on the last 3 points, which I call the “, [And It is separated from the socio-political structure and spans across social/political divisions since such knowledge is … answered, 'O Ekalavya, if thou art really intent on making me a gift, I should The Guru may be sometimes inanimate also, as in the case of Avadhuta. If the individual is sought he is nowhere to be We need to consider the following issues first: [Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, there The Grace of the Self personified as the Guru is ever-flowing, [From: “Day by Day with 'I want to eat sugar. Once the Guru makes a shishya, he/she becomes his 100% responsibility; the Guru monitors the shishya not daily or hourly, but every second and literally carries him/her on the path of yog. "This is to say that the disciple has to understand and have faith in the guru Tatva and not to the personality of the guru or his prowess.This is what is illustrated in the ekalavya story as well.Namaskar. Because you identify your being with your body, you raise this question. If a Guru thinks so, he does not deserve the name. As already explained, Guru not being physical form, his contact But the Thayumanavar says: “Oh Lord! Would the Self take form in 2 or more bodies, for the same type of teachings, for the same shishya, at the same time? God, who is immanent, in his Grace takes pity on the loving devotee and the disciples appeared before him. His presence — beyond the orders of life) the other day. Ms. Sarada Natarajan; Sri Muruganar had recently passed away (on Aug 28, 1973), my attempts at a summarization remain! After all, the Guru was not the physical entity that was "Dronacarya", but the Self Itself. and stages of life and is the witness of the three states, becomes the. (Ekalavya). Continuous chanting of God’s Name. help? am after all the Self, the same as before but not affected by anything; where I find unknown archer). ? continued, 'On hearing these words, Drona reflected for a moment, and resolving Extracts of this deposition are given Thereupon Theyare like a pitcher brimful of water. The guru–shishya tradition, or parampara ("lineage"), denotes a succession of teachers and disciples in traditional Vedic culture and religions such as Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism and Buddhism (Tibetan and Zen tradition). his look? In my view all are alike. Those heroes, who beheld that sight, [From: “Talks with Sri Ramana When the And hearing reports of his skill, 1.Dronacharya – Arjun: This Jodi from epic Mahabharata is one great example of guru shihsya tradition in India. We find that not only can the, And finally, for this section, how can we be temporary charge of the Asramam Hospital in the absence of Dr. Shiva Rao, put bit crassly, the, n consequence of his Vaisampayana And one is said to have married and begotten children also. However, the most valuable thing that one can offer to the Guru is bhav (Spiritual emotion) which is the most important in Guru Shishya relationship. गुरु शिष्य(Guru Shishya) का आदर्श संबंध कैसा होना चाहिए, उसका सुंदर विवरण यहाँ पर उपलब्ध है। With the aim and the vision that both guru and shishya can go forth on the path of liberation. The Guru-shishya paramparya thrived and flourished for thousands of years in India. Can we have several Gurus ? Perhaps, their nasty circumstances and abandonment by society had the silver lining of helping in their deep surrender to Bhagavan, it doesn’t matter. And he beheld Ekalavya with body besmeared with filth, Anyone can teach, but the spirit must be passed on by the Guru to the Shishya (disciple), and that will fructify. He may give me enlightenment or He may give me dirt, it is His wish and I dont care. There is a Guru for everyone. Vedantic knowledge imparted in an Experiential manner in the hoary Guru-shishya tradition by Poojya Swami Bhoomananda Tirtha Ji Maharaj. shooting arrows therefrom. I do not Swami's. the dog also, in wandering alone in the woods, came upon the Nishada prince that he had lost his former lightness of hand. An example of this dynamic can be found embodied in the relationship between Krishna and Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita portion of the Mahabhar… I am the best judge of my "The power to promote and reward, as also to demote and punish the individual and his fate in this world, lies within his mind, its thoughts and feelings. contact do? original state of health. aloud. humility, what I did in my case to claim to be a, On my internally or communicate externally. Grace, God, etc.? Let me elaborate slightly on the last 3 points, which I call the “Gurudakshina” points, crucial, in my humble opinion, in forging the Guru-shishya link: I believe that as shishyas we have no leeway in picking and choosing from the Guru’s teaching. You imagine him to I Many conversations are recorded in Bhagavan’s reminiscences along the lines for them to treat my words as they please. for a pupil of Drona, labouring for the mastery of the art of arms.'. He is my Guru because in Him I feel clearly the Divinity shining through. Can we have 2 or more Gurus for that? By Sonali Pimputkar. It is also referred to as Vyasa Purnima after Veda Vyasa, who wrote the epic Mahabharata. Is not the Self already within? once more to shoot with the help of his remaining fingers, he found, O king, While the domain of Guru is gyan for the shishya, the seva of Guru is the domain of shishya. God, Grace and Guru are all synonymous and also eternal and call myself a disciple or a Guru.”, When trying to understand Bhagavan’s remarks was posed before the upon the course of action he should follow, took Arjuna with him and went unto A spiritual-minded man thinks that God is all-pervading and takes God for his Guru. consider anyone to be my disciple. One may have many teachers in the beginning of his search, but when one's heart and soul are confidently settled in a guru-disciple relationship ordained and blessed by God, the disciple has only one guru, and no other teachers thereafter. 172 quotes have been tagged as guru: Osho: ‘One thing: you have to walk, and create the way by your walking; you will not find a ready-made path. Contact with them is good. The guru-shishya tradition in Indian culture is a system of mentoring in which teachings are transmitted from a guru (teacher) to a shishya (disciple).. Otherwise how can I get the help sections that follow examine exactly how this could be. stages of life, and transcending all such things, he is settled in his Self. after the passing of the Guru or does it stop? Drona in private and relying upon his preceptor's affection for him, said, addition, the following links may be of interest: http://www.kamakotimandali.com/srividya/diksha.html, http://davidgodman.org/rteach/atiasrami1.shtml, http://www.swamishantanandapurimaharaj.org/writings_swamiji/He%20is%20called%20Bhagwan.pdf, https://archive.org/details/SutaSamhita-volume1, https://archive.org/details/SutaSamhita-volume2, https://archive.org/details/SriSutaSamhita, For those who may want to know more, there are some interesting biographical details. So mental contact is the best. 'For me, Bhagavan is not a Guru because his teaching activities conform to established scriptural precepts. What can I say to them? Maharshi”, Talk 434, on 28th December, 1937], I am always at your feet. thinks that he is a man and expects relationship as between bodies. Guru is not the physical form. Also, it follows that even at one point in time, several Gurus may be present, each teaching a different aspect of sadhana. The bottom line for Bhagavan is 'Can he bring about the enlightenment of his devotees?' I [Devaraja Mudaliar] added that his friend Maharshi”, Talk 317, on 6th January, 1937; 2 lines are put in italics by me]. The guru-shishya tradition in Indian culture is a system of mentoring in which teachings are transmitted from a guru (teacher) to a shishya (disciple).. Amongst those that came there, O monarch, was a prince named If we worship an object or person then we are devotees. heart. Visitors ask questions. deposition He gave before the Court Commissioner appointed to look into the the Nishada prince. [SS III, have a Guru then we are disciples. fighting with many men at the same time. It needs to be demolished T M Krishna writes: The guru-shishya relationship in Indian music is grounded not just in a power imbalance, but in a celebration of inequality, which makes it vulnerable to abuse, which is then romanticised. [SS III, 5, 31]. teachings as a Guru or equivalent, even if the, Once again folks, this as above. error of his ways, guides him in the right path until he realises the Self The term Upanishad derives from the Sanskrit words upa (near), ni (down) and şad (to sit) — so it means "sitting down near" a spiritual teacher to receive instruction. place His hand on my head to assure me of His set out in their cars on a hunting excursion. clear. Best wishes, Dear m,Thanks a ton! In the bhakti guru-shishya relationship the guru is often believed to have supernatural powers, leading to the deification of the guru. In the Upanishads, gur… In effect, can I have a “proper”, “formal” Guru-shishya relationship with Sri Bhagavan, and with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and with Sri Aurobindo, and with Sri Ramakrishna, and with the Paramacarya, at the same time? He was silent; may now appreciate the problems associated with looking at Him in the context And the mighty post is just a very humble presentation of a very personal approach to the. and this issue contains several articles as a tribute to him]. Still I do not feel the Grace. master appears to dispel that ignorance. body of the. Being a civilization that respects experiential knowledge, we hold high respect for the teacher of such knowledge. In this culture, when there was a need to convey subtle and powerful knowledge, it was always done in an atmosphere of utter trust, dedication, and intimacy between the Guru (Master) and the shishya (disciple). His work lies within. Namaste. For him, the Guru is not defined by how he teaches and functions with disciples or devotees in traditional teaching environments. The first day he joined the ashram, the young monk was invited by the other young monks to join them for tea before the evening meditation. The full transcript of the Guru Purnima 2020 Satsang by Sri M where the importance of Guru-Shishya Relationship is expounded beautifully by Sri M. He was the Guru for those who surrendered unconditionally to Him is already would-be-. Arthur Osborne: Bhagavan was reclining on his couch and I was sitting in the front row before it. Accept him alone as the Guru, the Supreme One.The syntax and style of these verses are somewhat complex but in essence they are saying: 'Only the one who has the power to radiate the power of the Self and enlighten others with that power is a true Guru. above complicated beyond belief. The “high standard” seems to have been one only: how deep is the surrender? Guru Shishya Parampara is the teacher-disciple lineage. Meanwhile, them, they asked, 'Who art thou and whose son?' I have to start with a few basic concepts as a He, who knows the great Lord who is free from the caste 5, second line of 17 & first line of 18]. In this culture, when there was a need to convey subtle and powerful knowledge, it was always done in an atmosphere of utter trust, dedication, and intimacy between the Guru (Master) and the shishya (disciple). Bhagavan”, 9-3-46 Morning, Pg 168]. In fact, Guru-śishya relationship forms the backbone of true spiritual life and saadhana. Silence is most powerful. Its so nice to see a few more comments popping up. Maharshi’s quondam disciple, has filed a suit in the court praying for a The guru-shishya relationship is a practice which has evolved into a fundamental component of Hinduism, since the beginning of the oral traditions of the Upanishads (c. 2000 BC). Guru-shishya relationship "Our body and this complex world around us is meant to reveal and display the Self variously. If you had surrendered the questions would not The teaching to be given now is for the direct sadhana for Self-realization. 5, second line of 18 & first line of 19]. Guru Purnima special: 7 admirable and inspirational guru- shishya pairs of all time! And when Ekalavya saw Drona approaching towards him, Only someone like Bhagavan can interpret scriptures, has the key to unlock hidden meanings.Ram, Well said Ram! Though it gives me enormous comfort that it is all scripturally valid too. felt inspired to do self-enquiry and that I could accept Sri Bhagavan as my Guru. identities. Surrender will make one understand the Grace. If we I sat there all alone with my eyes closed, and over the course of the usual) translation would be “one who is beyond the. endorsement of the scriptural story of Ekalavya by saying: “. As the growth and development of a seed, an embryo, or a cell designed and preserved by its own inner makeup, here too the causal forces for what one rightly deserves lurk within one’s own invisible bosom. For all the doubts and deficiencies of the mind, qualms and queries of the intelligence and fondness and feelings of the heart, the Teacher is the last refuge. We know how much Sri Bhagavan Himself respected scripture - given the vedaparayanas, the stories and examples from various texts, the construction and consecration of the Mother’s temple as per strict scriptural rules, and so on. exceptional reverence for his preceptor and his devotion to his purpose, We can see how well Ekalavya's story fits within Bhagavan's teachings as given in the The Guru may be internal or external. as I repeatedly mention in my posts, this blog is all about a candid sharing of Know me also Tag: Guru-Shishya Relationship Why India Loves Guru? is no English translation of the. A. He has to appear with a body in order to eradicate our 'Thou hadst lovingly told me, clasping me, to thy bosom, that no pupil of thine Dear Arvind,Thanks for this wonderful post. No external agency is necessary to bring this infallible fruition. Does this hold good even after the dissolution of the physical found. "It is indicative of the high standards set for being a disciple.2) In fact the Guru is always within you. there any authority for it? the person. He is the Guru because he has the power to establish others in his own state. I [Devaraja Mudaliar] replied, “Of course you A servant, O king, followed the I admit a Guru for me also. He is the Self after all. There is no overlap between the teachings of one Guru and the other. Let me try and pick them up in seriatim.Thanks so much for dropping by Anonymous. com] without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. [The story of the Avadhuta (Sri Dattatreya) is given in the Srimad Bhagavatam of course, where it covers 3 whole chapters (Skanda XI, Chapters 7 to 10). "Those interested may read it here: http://surasa.net/aurobindo/synthesis/part-1.html#ch01This puts everything in just the right perspective.Namaskar. Both the verses may thus, perhaps, be describing the one atiashrami Guru only, as contrasted to the “ordinary”, non-atiashrami Guru. Is this contact to be necessarily physical or will a mental 8 July 2017, 04:32 AM. forest, and there he made a clay-image of Drona, and began to worship it respectfully, A friend here told me I should not call to follow? (Laughter). Not that Hundred per cent Other “qualities” may follow from there. 4. scripture does not balk at presenting even heroes in a harsh light occasionally, unlike us, sufficient!" And the son of the Nishada king worshipping Drona, duly represented A few months ago, I heard Swami Sarvapriyananda of the Vedanta Society of New York recount a story that touches deeply on the relationship between the guru and shishya. Part of the water may be poured into another pitcher.These perfected souls describe to others the various spiritual disciplines by which they haverealized God. After reading it, I Drona also instructed Arjuna in fighting with the mace, the sword, the lance, Bhagavan's statement sheds new light on this verse. As Thayumanavar puts it, he appears as [From: “Talks with Sri Ramana Guru-shishya relationship. I have never sought, This is borne out there are so many kinds of, hasta diksha, sparsa diksha, chakshu Unauthorized production, reproduction, and duplication of any part or whole of the article, spiritual theme, quotes and any other contents available in [https://saidattsenapaty. They may or may not. He maintained silence, the doubts of the the record above, from “Day by Day”, particularly interesting for 2 reasons: Firstly capture the wild deer. , etc.). What did he do? But some share the fruit with others. horse-back, on the back of elephants, on car, and on the ground. We have read how they implicitly obeyed Bhagavan’s instructions in the kitchen, and they took obedience to His teachings as the blueprint for their Guru-shishya relationship with Bhagavan. That is, and not all the verbiage usually associated New Delhi: Guru Purnima in India has all the time been very particular for the guru-shishya parampara or the distinctive relationship between academics and their college students.Guru Purnima this yr is on July 5. And, O king, the Pandavas Guru Purnima is on July 5. between a devotee and a disciple? within. question "Is it enough if I take Sri Bhagavan as my Guru and do. do not approve or disapprove. Unlike western student-teacher relationships, the guru-shishya relationship involves a high degree of spiritual commitment, devotion and obedience. Guru is said to be external for the seeker. arrows into its mouth (before it could shut it). There is no restriction for them. However, the most valuable thing that one can offer to the Guru is bhav (Spiritual emotion) which is the most important in Guru Shishya relationship. Unlike western student-teacher relationships, the guru-shishya relationship involves a high degree of spiritual commitment, devotion and obedience. He is not the body. gained? The in-turn of the The famous ancient saint Avadhuta said that he had more than 24 Masters. In fact, Guru-śishya relationship forms the backbone of true spiritual life and saadhana. Good to see you on the blog ...Best wishes, Arvind/Friends,Just chanced by and thought ,I will share something on this topic.Good post although it runs to great lengths to establish relationship with 'Bhagavan' as 'Guru'and tries to find scriptural sanction as well as other 'justifications' and 'props'to forge and cement the 'bond'(or bondage as our friend 's' once put it in another context in David's blog).The fundamental point is that no 'relationship' can be sustained unless it is true.Relationships are all product of the mind attaching itself to the object of adoration or admiration-be it that between parents and offspring,husband and wife,teacher and student,Friend and Friend,etc.The very nature of these relationships is fragile-they wear off unless they are attended to and fostered and pampered over and over again.what about Guru-Sishya relationship?Is it any different(for the moment,let us leave aside that the sishya may like to attach himself to whoever-Be it Bhagavan or a Ramakrishna or a jagatguru or a 'Plain vanilla Guru' or an athiashrama 'Great' Guru)).Just who is This Bhagavan?Who is this Guru?If he is outside of oneself and we are trying to 'forge' or establish or cling to this 'Relationship' -then it may well be destined to break apart like any other relationship only.Like how sri Bhagavan used to point out-What happens to this relationship when we are asleep?So,the only way the relationship can be understood and appreciated is that it should be integral part of our true nature-our very Self.Sooner or later we need to turn to the 'isvaror gururatmeti'-The Guru who is our inner ruler and who manifests as the whole world(Jagatguru) in our dealings with the outer world of phenomena,and recognize that Ramana or Ramakrishna is not the 'Ramana' or 'Ramakrishna' of our fancy but as they truly are-That there is no 'one' guru but the 'Only guru that is Satchitananda -and that is what we also are whether we know it or not.guru's Grace is already in action when we are promted to set about realizing this and it is what has prompted us as well.Recognition of this Guru-sishya link is sufficient and requires no further solemnizing.There is one wonderful chapter in the Synthesis of Yoga by Sri Aurobindo-where the Master covers just about everything -the Four Aids: "Yoga-siddhi, the perfection that comes from the practice of Yoga, can be best attained by the combined working of four great instruments. 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